January 02, 2004

Ok, NOW I'm p*ssed!

Explosion from the Dean's Office

I got THIS via Rantburg. It's not long, so I'll quote in full:

by: herederosdezor
01/01/04 03:13 pm
Msg: 588 of 1471
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I am probably knee deep in debt at this moment, but I've calculated that I can pay most of it off by March/April of this year, thanks to the facts that #1 son just hit 14, will have his braces off this month, and #2 son will hit 12 by summer. (I.e. No more child care or dentist expenses!) After a few tweaks to my insurance policy from work kicks in for 2004, I figure I'll be saving an EXTRA $350 per month net, after taxes.

Thus, by the time school's out in May or June, I'll be able to buy at least two guns and a heap of ammo with which to practice after work. With persistence, I should be able to hit a damned Liberal the size of Michael Moore with 50% assurance by September, qualifying to have the honor of participating in the Vidalia general militia defending South Georgia from the hordes of Idiotarians who will be swarming in from Jacksonville and Atlanta. (Too bad #2 son is too young to participate: Bagged a squirrel with his PaPa's .22 on his FIRST shot. Second squirrel after two more the next day. With my luck, he probably got it from his mother...)

Now, off to Imperial Firearms Advisor Kim DuToit's website to acertain exactly WHICH two to buy. Don't bother looking in the Links section: I've put the link to his website at the top of the webpage, in the next slot in what passes as a References section.

That important? Well YES. It IS that important!

Did I bother to tell you that I'm p*ssed? Click to see how P*ssed I am!

Hell YES, I'm pissed. I am you-can-take-it-to-the-bank-and-redeem-it-for-cash pissed. I'm seeing-red pissed. I am heartrate-up-to-aerobic-levels-now pissed. I am stick-the-damned-muzzle-into-their-fucking-mouths-and-let-loose-with-both-barrels pissed. I am give-them-a-buckshot-enema-up-the-bunghole pissed.

The incessant chant that Bush is a Nazi pisses me off.

A REAL Nazi would have cut Israel loose 20 minutes after attaining office.

A REAL Nazi would have censored the major networks by now.

A REAL Nazi would have banned the Dimocrats and the Greens by now. Gore, Dean, the 9 nincompoops, Pelosi, Nader, Michael Moore, Norm Chomsky and the entire ACLU management and staff would be cooling their heels in a damned concentration camp by now if they were lucky, nursing bulletholes to the head and asking for asprin if not.

Hell, a REAL NAZI would have CONCENTRATION CAMPS now. By the way, where the hell ARE the concentration camps anyway? Dammit, how the HELL can Bush be a REAL Nazi if he doesn't have any damned concentration camps turning Jews and Gays into soap and lampshades? If these wingnuts REALLY believed that Bush is a REAL Nazi, then why the hell are they pushing for gay marriage, leaving a paper trail for the jackboots to follow? (And NO, GITMO is NOT A CONCENTRATION CAMP. When inmates leave a place fatter and heavier than when they came, it is NOT a concentration camp. Fuck, if I got that sort of performance after patronising a health resort, I'D SUE!)

A REAL Nazi would have had TEN jackbooted Army Infantry and Tank divisions ready for conquest a year after 9/11.

A REAL Nazi government would be looking the other way after all the synagogue burnings and broken windows that the skinheads would have inflicted by now.

And they can just forget the damn BULLSHIT about Bush "just laying the groundwork for a Nazi state", when it's obvious they haven't got the neurons to grok that Saddam's PROGRAMS for WMD were also "just laying the groundwork for manufacturing WMD", and thus justifying the invasion of Iraq.

Well, enough venting to my friends and compatriots. The rest of my post is for you pinheads visiting this site:

First, take a good, LONG look at this pic here of how the counties in the United States voted in 2000:

Gore won mostly in the cities, where you leeches go to get fatter welfare checks.

Bush won mostly, if not entirely, in the rural areas. I am proud to say that I live in a red county, in the lower right hand corner of Georgia.



Now, you may not have gotten the following little fact in publikkk skkkhool, so listen up: The major crop grown in urban areas is pot. The rural areas are where the rest of the food is grown.





Now, let's assume that, despite the obvious superiority of position and resources we red staters hold, you nitwits decide to start the Glorious Revolution anyway. Pray tell, with WHAT do you expect to fight, you morons?





Conclusion #2: Unless you can sweet talk the outlaws into giving you their guns, WE WILL SHOOT YOU THE MOMENT YOU STEP OUT OF YOUR CITIES TO TAKE OUR FOOD, AND YOU WILL BE DEAD. That is, if the outlaws HAVEN'T SHOT YOU FIRST AND TAKEN YOUR POT.

Now, because I am fairly sure you peabrains flunked Logic 101, let me make the outcome of all these facts and conclusions clear to you, so you can stuff it into your bongs and smoke it:

Conclusion #3: If you dipshits are fool enough start a civil war, then you are fucking DOOMED.

EDIT: July 24:2005. I fear that, in being too over-zealous in deleting spam, that I accidentally deleted comments from Misha's resident troll: Um Yeah. Some of the comments below don't make sense otherwise, and I apologize for the confusion.

Posted by ptah at January 2, 2004 10:54 AM

Hey, let them bring it on. Numbskulls.

Oh, and by the way, on a budget you're probably looking at an SKS. Stay away from the Norinco chinese crap. Get a Yugo, they kick ass. Plus, the ammo is cheap. You should be able to get a nice unissued yugo SKS with 1000 rounds under $250. A fine design (the precursor to the AK-47, only with more machined steel and less sheet metal)which is as reliable as a brick.

Posted by: mark at January 2, 2004 04:38 PM

I have some points to add/correct/adjust, if you would be so kind.

1. One of the reasons no one wants to invade America is because our civilians out-gun our military. Up here in Wisconsin, I know very few deer hunters who don't think that .30-30's and .30-06's are for women. Most hunters I know use .300 Mag's, for those well-protected, armor-plated deer. I would have loved to have a .300 Mag when I was in the middle-east.

2. Nazi's, by definition, cannot be conservative. A Nazi is a National Socialist... something that no conservative would ever agree with. The Democratic Party of the USA has tried, or succeeded, at impementing most, if not all, of the Nazi measures at one time or other in the last 60 years... to wit, gun control, forced segragation and imprisonment of undesirables (Indians, Japanese), higher tax rates to fund the greater good, etc... Conservatives are also not Fascists, we don't like the idea of the government telling us how to make the government more powerful. Anyone who says that a conservative is a fascist or a Nazi obviously does not know their history or political science, possible due to the mind altering substances referenced by pthah

3. As for firearms, due to the weak, flabby nature of your targets during this upcoming, soon-to-be-brutally-repressed revolt, you should be able to use just about any old firearm, as long as you aim for their heads.... the mush atop their shoulders shouldn't be able to stop much more than an air rifle.

4. I believe there is never an age at which it is too young to teach a child to do what is right, so let the youngest in on the fun, too! He will only resent you if he see's Dad and big bro' getting to plink away nut-bags, and he doesn't

Posted by: Humble Devildog at January 2, 2004 05:27 PM

I can't say that I believe that electing Bush President justifies Civil War (though if the public school educated population is that stupid, perhaps the voucher folks are right!).

But I would like to address Devildog--

1. From the inside of my MIA1 Heavy tank, I would have giggled as your 300 Mag rounds bounced off the composite armor of my turret. You think civilians out-gun the US Military?

2. The NAZIs were no socialists. They were fascists who used the term socialism to convey the fascist idea that the survival of the state is more important than individual prosperity or freedom. Further, Fascists seek to establish a right wing dictatorship through belligerent nationalism and combination of business and state interests. All this sounds like today's conservatives, particularly Bush and his cronies, to me.

3. You may aim freely for my heart. I won't be wearing body armor. I will, however, be shooting back.

4. Is teaching children to kill the nature of today's conservatism?

Posted by: Left, Face! at January 2, 2004 06:11 PM

From the inside of my MIA1 Heavy tank, I would have giggled as your 300 Mag rounds bounced off the composite armor of my turret. You think civilians out-gun the US Military?

You have to get out sometime.

Just because you can't think beyond adding up firepower doesn't mean your opponents are so limited. HTH, HAND.

Posted by: Patrick Chester at January 2, 2004 06:33 PM

Of course, since the military men and women are largely conservative, if I WAS one, I'd probably be fragged in a latrine. I really don't have an M1a, because the testes required to use one would be sufficient for me to leave my email instead of posting anonymously. And I am certainly not bright enough to drive one, even if I did trip on one, because I'm not bright enough to even leave a bogus email or URL like the stupidest of trolls. Like all cowards, I hide behind anonymity. Soon, mommy will be coming to change my diaper.

Posted by: Left, Face! at January 2, 2004 06:36 PM

To Left, Face!

Children killing? Well, if it's to defend themselves and their mama from desperate Lefties invading their Red county demanding food because they rebelled and want to have their cake and eat it too, because they think they have some fucking right to it because they NEED IT? Hell, YES!

BUT not necessary, since Mama is a good shot too at reasonable range.

Otherwise, no: The official definition of the General Militia is all able-bodied men 17 yrs and above, which is why I mourned that my #2 son for not having the chance to fight at my side.

Or did the person reading this article to you skip that sentence?

Besides *snickers* Gore had very good reasons for trying to disqualify thousands of mail-in votes from the Military in Florida.


Thus, most military bases, if not already in Red counties, would very likely secede from the Blue counties and help defend the rest of the country from you nutbags.

Posted by: Ptah at January 2, 2004 06:40 PM

Oh, and I made that BS up about Nazis all by myself! Like it? It's almost as incoherent as the ravings of Dean. Soon, I'll be a high ranking democratic official! I can make shit up and say it with a straight face as if it were the truth!

Posted by: Left, Face! at January 2, 2004 06:41 PM

Well, lefty:

1) There is no Eazy-Bake Oven in a tank. Tankers have to come out of tanks. Often. They have to eat food. They have to take on water. They have to take on fuel. They have to take on ammunition.

If the area is crawling with hostile, armed indigs, you will be seriously fucked when you pop the hatch on that tank.

2) Facism is left-wing, not right. It is the socialization of property-rights, which is nationalization in all but name since the only value a piece of property has is the rights associcated with it.

3) I will be wearing body armor. I will also be making effective use of tactics, camoflague and cover. I'm the exception in the city. I know lots of guys with guns in the city. They are all cold meat as soon as they venture out for food. The Civil War is going to consume the cities first, from the inside out.

4) Teaching children to kill is a constitutional duty. Article 1, section 8. (Especially since Handgun Control keeps inching the definition of "child" up. I think it goes all the way to 24 in their numbers now.)

Posted by: Phelps at January 2, 2004 06:45 PM

i always love seeing that map, but who was the smartass that decided conservatives were red?

Posted by: samkit at January 2, 2004 10:17 PM

the media, of course.

Posted by: mark at January 2, 2004 10:21 PM

Relax, folks.

The MonkeyPants Poltical Meme:

The Democrats are doomed

Learn it. Love it. Live it.

Imperial Minion

Posted by: MonkeyPants at January 2, 2004 10:38 PM

Bro, that was damn good. Both the girlfriend and I were laughing our asses off.

And despite what Devildog says, a good 30-06 will take down anything smaller than a grizzly bear. Add any of the many M1911 clones, and you have yourself a good combo. Springfield has just come out with a reproduction of the original Military Specification M1911, and you can find one for a good price at just about any gun shop. I strongly suggest you check it out.

Posted by: Raging Dave at January 3, 2004 01:47 AM

>All this sounds like today's conservatives, particularly Bush and his cronies, to me.

Not so. Nazism is the establishment of the penultimate Nanny State, with Big Brother personified in the Leader's Cult of Personality (which is a term largely derived from Communism, "Left-wing Extremism". You'll note there were remarkable similarities between Nazi Germany and Communist Russia. Concentration Camps vs Gulags, rampant government control and censorship, yadda yadda.)

The Nanny State is the Left-Wing Utopia, and the Right-Wing Nightmare. If we suddenly found ourselves in a Facist State, guarantee it would be the Jacksonian Conservatives who would be leading the Civil War or Resistance to follow.

The gap between the current Administration's policies and those of the Nazi Party are amusingly vast.

Posted by: Cryshalo at January 3, 2004 08:01 AM

"Us enlightened elite are taking this country. There's not a thing you can do about it. Socialism and progressivism is this countrys future (until we break it up into appropriate sized reparations). Chimpys going to jail. As are the racists left behind."

---Mike Sutcliffe, aka "Um Yeah"


Shitcliffe, you don't even have the balls to come out from buggering your union steward to face _me!!!_ How the _fuck_ do you think you chickenshits are gonna get our guns from us, eh? Threaten to have your mommy fart all over us?


C'mon, Shitcliffe. I _dare_ you!!! Let's see whatcha got, coward!!! (cackle)

Posted by: Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant at January 3, 2004 10:16 AM

Um Yeah,

Boy you must lack material...it wasn't funny the first time I saw it over at 4 right wing wackos...

Every thing that you say belies the fact that you are evolved, educated or progressive. If anything you are stunted, un educated, and narrow minded. Sounds to me like you've either never done anything worth doing or must be very young in age or mentatily. That's the only way you could be so naive and arrogant to believe you have all the answers. Wisdom is found in shades of grey

Posted by: Captain Tom at January 3, 2004 11:52 AM

Well, now, I don't think there's going to be any revolution. The left haven't the means or the determination. The right is too damned respectful of others' rights to exterminate the left, too.

What'll happen, if President Bush is re-elected, is that the left will piss and moan some more and the right will bitch about how the left has nothing to whine about, because President Bush may not be left-wing, but he sure isn't right, either. Under the guise of right-wing-ism, he can get more liberal doctrine implemented than any Democrat could. It's called hiding in plain sight.
If, by some apocalypse, a Democrat wins the presidency, there won't be a revolution, because the right-wing by and large respects the law, and will wait for actual evidence of wrong doing to react, unlike the left's tendency to react to hearsay, speculation, and imagination.
Just my opinion.

Special Ed

P.S. In the event of an actual revolution, tanks burn fairly easily. Any weapon with which you are competent will kill a human.

P.P.S. Yes, the left is comprised of humans. No animals could live such delusion.

Posted by: Special Ed at January 3, 2004 12:08 PM

"You wont even know its being done in your crack, meth and malt liquor haze. All itll mean is Rush wont be telling you what to think, itll be the enlightened. The evolved. The educated. The progressive."


Yes...the cowardly. The chickenhearted. The fart-sniffing. (snicker)

C'mon, Shitcliffe, bring it _on!!!!!_

Posted by: Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant at January 3, 2004 05:51 PM

A revolution by the left?????HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Give me a da*n break!! This pencil necked whining crybaby appeasers couldn't revolt their way out of a wet paper sack. A bunch of peacenicks against us right wingers????
Ya mean like Michael Moore against Bruce Willis? Wonder how that would turn out? I don't.
I shot my first deer at the age of 6, single shot Ithaca 20 guage. Not that a lefty would even know what that is. They can't even fistfight much less accurately fire a weapon. How the f**k are they gonna revolt?
I tell ya what they are gonna do, they are gonna post inane blogs, whine, piss and moan and carry protest signs for four years -'04-08. Then very possibly for 4- 8 years more.

Posted by: Lynb362002 at January 3, 2004 06:56 PM

What I want to know is WTF the liberals are running their civil war scenarios with the assumption that the military will be on /their/ side, when their whole civil war scenario is based on the assumption that Bush will remain Commander-In-Chief!

Posted by: Chuckg at January 3, 2004 10:49 PM

Well, these comments have inspired another post here at the War College:


Posted by: Ptah at January 3, 2004 11:04 PM

Ym Yeah,
What a cad. I know history is a real problem for you, having to read and all. But maybe you might read up on the last American Civil War,that might give you an idea who the blacks will be shooting at.

Posted by: jman at January 4, 2004 12:14 AM

Joker:"How can you shoot women and children?"
Gunner:"Easy! You just don't lead 'em so much!"
-- Full Metal Jacket

Posted by: mojo at January 4, 2004 12:19 AM

All these leftie-wanks keep blabbing on about their "revolt". They display their complete ignorance of history, politics, economics--over and over again... I am surprised they actually get out of bed in the morning without strangling themselves in the sheets (I suppose not many of them use sheets). Pathetic, really. But there is one thing they've got right: they truly are quite, well, *revolting*!

Posted by: Natasha at January 4, 2004 04:15 AM

"Another reason we progressives will prevail, WE LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD"

Then if you think you're such a bad-ass, Shitcliffe, BRING IT ON!!! Let's _see_ you try to take us out! I can't frickin' wait!

We're gonna take your "REAL WORLD" and shove it up your ass, chickenshit! So Just. Bring. It.

Any time you're ready...

Posted by: Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant at January 4, 2004 09:54 AM

You know, I am very curious about this "revolution" the leftists keep raving about. What will be their weapon of choice, I wonder: insufferable B.O.? Tofu clumps flung from a distance? Slogan-chanting and tantrums to annoy the enemy? Oh, and can't forget hte metrosexual man-purses used as shields, too! Bwahahahahaha!

Posted by: Natasha at January 4, 2004 10:38 AM

dUMb Yeah is nothing but a pimple-faced pre-teen probably about 11 or 12 years old who sneaks onto mommy's computer when she runs to get another snoutfull and shoots her wad all over the keyboard before mommy comes back to clean it up.

Don't be too hard on the poor widdle wanker... She thinks she's doing right.

Posted by: Bart at January 4, 2004 12:14 PM

Um Yeah's last post was duplicated, letter for letter, in the other thread, which I've fisked.

What's the matter, ran out of original thoughts snookums?

Posted by: Ptah at January 4, 2004 02:10 PM

Um Yeah, you keep refering to it as "your beloved military", meaning it is ours. Then you presume to know what its members will do under a given circumstance. Were you ever in the military?
If so, did your peers and superiors regard you as an exemplary?
I was, they did, and I believe the military will not wage war on their own nation.

Special Ed

Posted by: Special Ed at January 4, 2004 02:12 PM

Idiot. Read your history. How many dictator/nazi/socialist conditions in post WWII do you see happening now in this country?

Posted by: Rob at January 4, 2004 02:13 PM

To which idiot were you refering?

I will admit that I don't quite understand your question. A little clarification, perhaps?

Special Ed

Posted by: Special Ed at January 4, 2004 04:24 PM

i hope they come here i have an entire arsenal of weapons that they could get shot with

Posted by: at January 4, 2004 06:35 PM

A little harsh there bud ;)

I'm lovin' it of course...

Posted by: DANEgerus at January 4, 2004 06:53 PM

Special Ed, I was directing my comment to the person who said:

Posted by: Rob at January 5, 2004 12:54 AM

I prefer the .270. If I can drop an elk with it, then some shrieking, patchouli stink, hacky sack playing hippy does not stand a chance. Although for sporting sake, a simple shot to the leg with a .22 long rifle to slow them down then turn the dogs loose on them is great fun!!!! Praise the Lord and pass the ammo!!!!1

Posted by: Madnav at January 5, 2004 02:39 PM

If we are going to get into a discussion about how to take down a liberal nut-job in the most painful, violent manner possible, then I would suggest anything in the .50 range... such as a surplus M2HB or a (very) illegal Barrett M82, or an (equally) illegal RAI 500. Of course, ammo is kinda hard to find for those weapons, but could be worth it in the long run.

And what I find most distressing about the hunters up here using .300 Mags (I do not hunt myself, finding no challenge in hunting dumb animals and no trill in killing) is that the hunters up here BRAG about making 100 yard shots! I've hit a dinner plate at 5 times that range... repeatedly, and consistently. I do not mean to imply that I have a problem with hunting, or with someone using obscene amounts of firepower (I generally condone overkill whenever possible), just that I find it a trifle amusing and reassuring when pondering the comments of Um Yeah and his ilk and their plans for forcible conquest of the electorate of the United States.

Posted by: Humble Devildog at January 5, 2004 03:39 PM

Then bring it, limp-wrist. C'mon, let's see whatcha got!

Fuckin' coward.

Posted by: Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant at January 5, 2004 10:15 PM

Spats, regarding Duh Yup, I have to say, I have yet to see such a shining example of "hide behind the keyboard" cowardice/liberalisim. I'd ask you not to lower your fine self, but frankly, I'd like to watch you scrape Duh Yup off your shoes. Hell, I'd sell tickets.

Posted by: mark at January 5, 2004 11:17 PM

Never underestimate the combat effectiveness of large puppets, people on stilts, and pink paper mache tanks.

Posted by: ruprecht at January 6, 2004 12:03 PM

I agree larger is better and a whole lot more fun! Nothing like a spray of red mist after a direct hit. Unfortunately, the particular "self defence" items you listed are not easily attainable or fiscally prudent. So I have to rely on an older and quite reliable .270 that was passed to my by my grandfather. So.. I will just load up the back of my gas guzzling SUV with high grain ammo, supplies, dogs and the family then go on a preemptive strike. The wife can take the wheel and I am a pretty good shot on the fly. I have just one question, what is the limit on this hunt?

Posted by: madnav at January 6, 2004 12:55 PM

Um Yeah:

"We are the future."

I'm selling My bonds.

Posted by: jackal at January 6, 2004 01:03 PM

Dammit, Spats, if I had the money, I'd go to NY myself and grind Dumb? Yeah's shriveled little nuts into paste.

Come take my guns Dumbie. Save me the trip.
Oh, what's that you say? Hillary will take our guns when she's elected? Well, it figures you'd want a woman to do it for you. Pussy boy. Your momma's done everything for you in the whole twelve years you've been sucking at her poisonous, suppurating dugs.

What makes you think we'll ever let Shrillary the Hellofabeastinto the White House again? She can't "take our guns" until she gets there. She ain't getting there. Get it? Got it? Good.

ESAD, you give cretins a bad name.

Posted by: Jon, Imperial Hunter at January 6, 2004 01:09 PM

"What is the limit on this hunt?" Madnav

As the Imperial Hunter I am authorized to provide an unlimited number of permits and an open season on traitors and idiotarians of all stripes.

Special bounties will be paid for Liberal Arts professors in noted areas of concentration and particularly egregious offense such as Berzerkeley, Harvard, Columbia, etc. Those throwing around terms like "Hitler" and "Nazi"
automatically qualify, as do the leaders of MoveOn.org, Idiotmedia, DemographicUnderclass, PETA, the ACLU and N(azi)P(ropaganda)R(adio).

Pick up your permits and Handy Hippy Hunting Tips™ booklet at the Imperial Hunting Lodge (the little portable building out behind the Imperial Rottweiller Kennels) on your way to the Imperial Armory. Good hunting!


Posted by: Jon, Imperial Hunter at January 6, 2004 01:24 PM

Thanks for the heads up on the rules. I hate to go in to a season and not know what my limit is. My hunting buddies are loading up the 4 wheelers as we speak. I think we will leave the happy hunting grounds of Bezerkley to others, I prefer the stalk the area around UC Santa Cruz. On the way we plan on frequent stops at dimocrat "watering holes" (Starbucks or any other trendy coffee shops) to align our sights in and make sure our trigger fingers are warmed up. Just remember exhale and squeeze the trigger. Do not pull. As my buddie Rampage says "You can run, but you will die tired".

Posted by: madnav at January 6, 2004 03:41 PM

"I doubt youll pass our enlightenment and intellegance test. You will not be a part of the new, evolved USA."

No, we most certainly will not. And the Intelligence test will consist of this:

Duh Yup:"Thay, you big dummies! We're here for your mean old guns"


Posted by: mark at January 6, 2004 09:15 PM

"Save your money Jon, we will come for you. Your phallic guns will be outlawed and seized."

Please, please, please. Just. Bring. It.

The sooner, the better. I can't wait for you to just try it... (snicker)

Posted by: Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant at January 7, 2004 12:07 AM

Duh, Nope. Nice try. I'm saving myself so I can squick your vacant eyeholes after you bled out on the lawn. Why waste it on a sheep?

Posted by: mark at January 7, 2004 06:57 PM

um yeah: "We will come for you. Your phallic guns will be outlawed and seized."

LOL! You cant seize what you cant find!
(some bodies wont be found either ;)

BTW, congratulations to the residents of Ohio for the new Shall Issue CCW law! Woot!

Posted by: Rob at January 8, 2004 05:53 PM

can u show a map where segregation apliedd?
a student

Posted by: at March 6, 2004 09:45 AM

It's gonna be hard for you and your buddies to take a damn thing from us when you'll be hanging from a fucking tree with your damn intestines spilled out if you "revolt."

Hurry up and start your revolution, pussy.

Posted by: mbennett at April 26, 2004 08:14 PM
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